Turning Teaching into a TedTalk

So welcome glad to see you all made it on over here um our work our Hands-On workshops like this are always pretty darn small see it very bad uh for a variety of reasons it hands on people don't want to get up and get out of their office now um but this uh it's important for the folks who really want to get things done and learn how to do it because there will be a handon aspect to this so uh hopefully we're getting ready to have some fun so uh I think most of y'all know us um but out of our office of continuing professional development uh faculty development and our teaching Academy um the three of us will be together so I'm Sherry uh Dr Sarah Harren Mariah Rd we also have a special guest appearance by Dr Tony slono who's gonna help us out with some of his real life tedex experience we're excited about that um but yeah this is going to be really informal if you have questions just ask us we don't have anybody online um listening to us or anything like that so don't worry about not that you should worry about what you're going to say anyway but um just know nobody else is here except us and we're gon enjoy our session but we are recording for posting not for folks that are online just so you guys are all aware of that we do content on our website so thanks for that reminder all right um we'll oh go ahead and get rolling well maybe I'll just right here this is always the case whoops there we go there we go so today we're going to talk about taking the principles of a TED Talk and incorporating them into your lecture so we're not you know telling you guys that you need to go out and um sign up for a TED talk but really just incorporating some of the the major elements into your teaching to make it more Dynamic more engaging next slide please um all right here are today's learning objectives so by the end of this session we hope that you all are able to recognize the benefits of utilizing Ted Talk principles to share information within an academic medicine context um describe the key components of a TED Talk that are transferable to lectures um and presentations then identify the steps needed to integrate Ted Talk best practices into a presentation or lecture um so the link is open another screen and we just have to drag it over oh go you just play we'll watch this for a minute oh you have it open just it's over oh I just it's not open here so I can't yeah operating is two separate scen you want to do it yeah not this is not a talk on technology worry not oh oh drag hear that that's nothing which is what I as a speaker at today's conference have for you all I have nothing NADA zip zilch Zippo nothing smart nothing inspirational nothing even remotely researched at all I have absolutely nothing to say whatsoever and yet through my manner of speaking I will make it seem like I do like what I am saying is brilliant and maybe just maybe you will feel like you've learned something now I'm going to get started with the opening I'm gonna make a lot of hand gestures I'm G to do this with my right hand I'm going to do this with my left I'm going to adjust my glasses and then I'm going to ask you all a question uh by show of hands how many of you all have't asked a question before okay great I'm seeing some hands and again I have nothing here now I'm going to react to that and act like I'm telling you a personal anecdote something to break the tension something to endear myself a little bit something kind of [Laughter] embarrassing and you guys are going to make an a sound it's true it really happened and now I'm going to bring it to a broader point I'm going to really back in I'm gonna make it intellectual I'm gonna bring it to this man right here now what this man did was important I'm sure but I for one have no idea who he is I simply Google image the word scientist and now you see I'd like it to seem like I'm making points building an argument inspiring you to change your life when in reality this is just me buying time now if you don't believe me let's take a look at the numbers this is a real thing that's happening right now the number of talks that I'm giving is one interesting facts imparted thus far ins said talk well that's going to be a zero my height in inches is 70.5 note the .5 there 2 * 6 = 12 and then interestingly enough 6 * 2 also equals 12 that's math 352 is a three-digit number 1 two 3 four five and then almost immediately following that we get six seven 8 nine 10 now to add more filler here I'm going to give you a couple more numbers to consider uh 18 237 5,6 one 2.6 million four four 24 staggering these are real numbers all of them and to follow that up let's take a look at some graphs now if you take a look at this pie chart what you're going to see is that the majority far exceeds the minority everybody see that cool isn't it and let's take a look at this bar graph because it shows similarly irrelevant data now I'm doing this because I'd like to make it seem like I've done my homework if you were say watching this on YouTube tube with the sound off you might think huh okay this guy knows what he's talking about but I don't I'm floundering panicking I've got nothing I'm a total and utter phony but you know what I was offered a TED Talk and damn it I'm G to see it through now if you take a look behind me these are just words paired with vaguely thought-provoking stock photos I'm going to point at them like I'm making use both of my time as well as your time but in reality I don't know what half of them mean and now as these continue I'm just going to start saying gibberish wagawa Gaba Gaba turkey mouth in a mouth chip trip My Dog Skip rip it and dip it Richard I'm an itty bitty baby bopper and I'm hungry in my tum tum Brad Pit Uma Thurman names things words words and more things and see it feels like it might make sense doesn't it like maybe just maybe I'm building to some sort of satisfying conclusion I mean I'm gesticulating as though I am I'm pacing I'm growing in intensity I'm taking off my glasses which by the way are just frames I wore them to look smart even though my vision is perfect and I'm going to slow things down a little bit I'm going to change the I'm going to make it seem like I'm building to a moment and what if I was amazing isn't it what can you do life's a roller coaster you know if there's one thing you take away from my talk I'd like you to think about what you heard at the beginning and I'd like you to think about what you hear now because it was nothing and it's still nothing think about that or don't that's fine and now I'm going to stop talking thank [Applause] you so we just wanted to show you an example of a TED Talk um you know how to sound smart in your Ted talk so if you are thinking about you know doing an official one but the the important takeaway from this the humor obviously but also you know some of the present it got it sorry um wait did you just turn it with one of these buttons yeah there some of the the things that he used right he was engaging he Incorporated hand gestures his slides well you know they really weren't meaningful but they you know he Incorporated only um small visual elements right to make a point um so what we're going to just start talking about first is the the elements of a TED Talk format and then we're going to move into uh you know how you can weave those into a lecture or talk so some of the defining elements of a TED Talk are um the element of Storytelling so incorporating um a personal narrative um that really captivates the audience and builds connection is one of those elements of a TED Talk um concise content so pairing whatever you're going to say down into just the most meaningful and most impactful of pieces not you know going on for you know a full hour and uh you know focusing on one uh singular area rather than multiple um building that audience connection again that can be done through a personal story narrative um he did that you know through humor um his hand gestures being Dynamic um and then visual sometimes you watch TED talks and they have no slides sometimes they have you know just very impactful slides um and I think Dr SL was going to talk about they when there's coaching they even tell you to bring props or things like that um to help you know drive home your key points all right so some more key elements of an engaging Ted talk so passion and enthusiasm while that speaker really didn't have you know a message other than his humor um he was passionate and enthusiastic about his delivery right and that Drew you in um so if you with the content that you are sharing you're passionate about and you demonstrate enthusiasm that's important for the Learners and your audience authenticity and vulner vulnerability so that's part of the element of telling a story like um bringing it back to your that personal connection for something that really is impacting yourself um and then thought-provoking ideas so making it so that the audience or the Learners leave thinking about ways um to learn more about the topic um perspective that they may not have thought about before they entered the room um or just innovative ideas and I'm going to hand things off to Dr par all right so a lot of the things that you're already doing in your presentations um can be spiced up just a little bit by thinking about what are they doing in a TED Talk are they delivering what are they using um visually how are they distilling their message so most of us I think when we do a presentation regardless of audience are utilizing many of these things a narrative structure but really think about the story you're telling and how you're going to take the information that you have and create a narrative around it will help convey your message help it stick with the folks who are actually listening to what you have to say concise Concepts try to keep the information that you're sharing concise digestible um think about your audience and and really what amount of information they can take in remember and then utilize interactive engagement everyone moans and groans about having to be an Engaged audience we have people online and we say time for a breakout room and then folks disappear right we see that happening over and over again they don't turn their camera on um for whatever reason like no judgment of course but making sure that you're incorporating some interactive pieces into a lecture or into a discussion into a presentation um so that you can keep your audience engaged whether it's asking them questions throughout your presentation whether it is showing them a video like we just showed you changing it up a little bit changing the pace changing the delivery modality all those things help keep your audience interactive and then using those um visual components really just to highlight the information you're you're sharing instead of using your slides as the actual presentation itself right okay next slide so some audience engagement strategies I'm about to put these back on so question and answer those actually have lenses just in they're not to make me look smart they're actually trifocals so hard screen so question and answer how many of you during the course of a presentation will pause your presentation and ask folks to answer questions yeah sometimes when you present if you're not really comfortable with the content it can be a little unsettling as a presenter to pause your presentation and to engage the audience however giving the audience opportunities to ask you questions in the moment have some dialogue can can really make your um presentation a lot more engaging draw that audience in throughout the presentation using real world real world connections you can take the information you're sharing and connect it to something that means something to your audience or snowing your audience that can help them remember information uh better and also help them think about how they could practically use what you're sharing multimedia integration video clips pictures anything that um you can use to again break up that presentation and engage folks and then group discussions again we all moan and grown about them but we do know that they're um are some really positive things that happen when groups of people learn together they can share information um and it just it just kind of um adds an extra layer of understanding and solidifies some of what they're learning next slide okay Hands-On activities the important thing about incorporating these it activates prior knowledge provides some experiential learning and again that collaborative exploration now we don't usually see these in a TED talk but there are those are things that we should be incorporating into our presentations so making them Dynamic and making them meaningful to the participant effective visual aids and presentation design I know some of you have been in our sessions these empowered sessions before and we talked a few times about visual aids and your design intentionally crafting a presentation that draws Learners in and using using visual aids that have meaning to the information that you're sharing and have meaning to your audience thinking about how to keep things simple what's the visual impact that your slides are having filling those slides up with a picture instead of words and thinking very carefully about what picture represents the information the words you're trying to convey making sure it Dynam has Dynamic flow to it and that it's focused on the audience who is your audience knowing who they are are and what information you're sharing mean something to them next okay so you can blend the techniques of TED talks and just a traditional lecture these things are are closely related so storytelling should be uh something that you a skill that you hone when you're thinking about delivering content people are way more engaged in a story than they are with someone just lecturing being concise making sure that your um that concisus though with Comprehensive subject sharing or uh subject coverage connecting with your audience knowing your audience making sure that you're targeting what's important to them and then making sure that you've got that visual uh part of your presentation just honed in and that you're really capitalizing on the opportunity to teach through through visual aids okay that's for slide okay oh oh this one so let me just ask you all um are there things that you currently have in your repertoire of presentations or teaching that you think could benefit from a TED talk or sub Ted Talk principles anybody want to share something that they've got they think would benefit from these principles or if you don't can you think of some examples um as an educator that might pair well with this sure what wouldn't though like wouldn't it all benefit from the Ted Talk principles that's a great answer yeah yes having a hard time pinning down because it seems like these are common themes that should do absolutely yep they should and we've got some examples for you so we can cue those up so one example would be using a specific patient case to illustrate differential diagnosis for specific disease um during clerkship so thinking through how you might be able to take teaching or Ted Talk teaching principles and applying to this specific context um you might not be able to apply all of the principles it might just not be possible but if you can pull out ones that would pair nicely with this particular context you can do so relating your personal experience about being vulnerable to help Learners learn from making mistakes and then using storytelling to relate to different Generations during a presentation um or to relate to patients all right so next up we have H Dr slum who is going to tell you some pearls from being a tedex presenter thank you sir good afterno everybody so I'm Tony slon welcome it's nice to see all of you I'm just going to give you a few things I've done two t tedex talks in my career um one better than the other and I think uh there's a couple of principles that I learned going through tedex and I'll cover them kind of in quick fashion tedex is different and as s pointed out there are many principles from tedex that can relate to your standard presentations um teaching and educational opportunities that you're presenting that and there are some that just um TED tedex Talks are and I'm sharing with you some of the things I learned it was intense I think intense is a good way to say it I thought I was a pretty good speaker before I got involved in tedex um I routinely in my role at that time presented in front of hundreds and hundreds of people off the cuff with no men No Agenda no issue just kind of pulled to walked in a room and to deliver three of five topic point points in an integrated way and in a meaningful way and tedex made me a better presenter because of the intensity of the preparation so I think tedex point1 is preparation I had a mentor years ago who used to say to me when you're giving a National presentation you should put approximately 80 hours of work into preparing and practicing that presentation and he was about right 40 hours it's 40 hours one full solid week of work if you're a National presentation if you're giving a regional presentation about 20 hours and if you're giving a local kind of at the University presentation you need to be in that five to 10 hour range of presentation and that's all together you may have some of your slides done but that means that you should take that extra time and refine the talk for your audience know who your audience is go in the refine it and practice the sound bite so preparation was number one for Tex second it had to be and we spent a lot of time on this in my prep it had to be a big idea it had to be grand it had to be big and each time you would come back you would simply present your big idea and they were saying not big enough like not big I'm talking about Healthcare reform not big enough you got to be bigger than that what is the great idea that's going to come out of this talk that people are going to walk away with the One Singular idea and it turned out I think my Healthcare reform talk was a little bit too complicated the the the way I went through the talk had four major points but it was just too complicated for an audience that was every day not professional right and so that's a lot of what you see when you come to Tex so it's got you got to be prepared and two you have to have the big idea three and S H A lot of those a lot of those points are real um I used a case study for one pictures of people who were involved in the in the experiment that we were doing which kind of gave it a personal level um you you uh kind of bookend things where I started the talk with the same sentence and the same prop and this was my second tedex talk and I ended the talk with the same sentence and the same TR to bring people all the way back to the beginning kind of put boundaries around it so there's some unque techniques that you can use so preparation making sure you have a big idea use some of their techniques and I think the the other thing that I would say fall into this one bucket the last point I leave you with which is tedex and I think there's some relevance to this for other talks tedex is a show it's all about the show and so down to the details of what I was going to wear that day was prepped and discussed and that doesn't play off for your eyes well you're going to be on camera you're gonna nobody knows where the video is going to go you have to have things that match up differ way okay fine um I was an executive at the time I was always dressed up I had a tie on they're like you're too dressed up you need to be more casual the audience that's going to be looking at you is not going to receive you well if you're too dressed up okay we'll take the dve off um the dot you'll see the tedex dot and the Ted they prep you the Ted do not move off the dot you have a circle you stand on the circle you can move side to side and I do a little bit of this your hand drestes come in but you don't move off the dot pretty interesting and if you look at some other kind of um social media presentation Styles like American Idol like the voice like the whatever they have you know the prop on the floor where they don't want people moving they want you sitting and anchored with the audience and that's very deliberate and then the last thing around setting that I would say that they did is uh and this works well I think as you're doing General presentation Styles is there's no introduction you're being introduced you walk to the dot and you go and you have to follow through on the go and and the presentation you mentioned a lot about slides I had slides on both of my talks they cut them down I could have done my talk without slides that's going back to the preparation and they want and they actually have you prepare in one of your presentations without the slides they just tell you to give the talk I mean I have hours and hours up until the night before my talk standing at the dryer you know with my notes and giving it around the timing because the timing has to be really precise and they you practice and you practice and you get good at it but getting feedback from professional mentors about how you're speaking because we never really watch ourselves they would record you they would show you they would highlight to got your hand in your pocket what are you doing and so there there were shes that I didn't even realize that they gave me all together um made me a better speaker and I think have relevance for other talks that I give even if they're not head talks and I use them I gave a talk on Saturday 400 doctors at a national meeting and Bam introduced walked out started the talk hit them with a punchline what's in a date and put three dates up there the um the stock market crash in 1929 the passage of the Medicare act in 1965 the Affordable Care Act in 2011 and then anchored them on the date and used that as a frame for where I went with my talk and so there's really cool tricks that you can use um but I it comes down to the basics preparation U slides plus minus know your talk even without the slides have a really big idea and know about the style of your presentation don't move a lot look good prepare and speak secretly and make sure that you're doing a job so that's the summary so big ideas but concise messages totally that was the problem with my first talk yeah big idea too complicated people couldn't follow it and I got Smarter on the second s love it love it um so what kind of questions do you have so far what's what's like triggering or I have a question I wonder the of message have a talk you in science a lot of times we you possibly probably like does that matter or does it have to be like a firm like yes this is this is the message this yeah you can the message can be anything it can be even be hypothetic um my my second was probably my better one was really concrete and um science based but remember that the audience is nonprofessional so you you know I was for example in my cep I was it was about genomics I was talking about genomics and phyics and and they're like what are you doing with these words I mean come on bring it down to the basics man so that anybody within eth grade on education can understand I think that was that was really helpful for me not only for the presentation but afterwards how do I make sure my language is consistent with the audience we say it all the time I know know your audience yeah yeah but you got to make it live you got make it and it makes sense for us right sometimes we're with like one medical student or you know you're going to be with a group of all residents and then the very next day you may be presenting on the same topic to a very diverse group you know somebody from ru a medical student resident fellow you know so it's knowing your audience and sort of catering to that right um okay watch yourself watch yourself present is amazing not always but I mean some when I rewatch my TED Talks I shudder at some of the things I did even in the professional I mean the other thing that's magical about tedex is it's not about the presentation in the room you're presenting 5,000 people who were in the room but it's all about the video it's all about the video so what you don't see is it was a glitch in one of my slides it was an animated slide that was kind of supposed to pop at the end and it didn't well that was a let down but it didn't matter because I just kept going and the video they made it look great they edited it out and it looked fine there are people who come out and the audience overwhelms them and they just stop TR go off and they teach you go off stage come back to start from the beginning don't worry about it because it's all about the video they can't connect the two parts if you don't do the if in video if you don't start from the beginning they won't slice it so go off if you're five minutes in come back start from the so there other it's all about the show it's really all about the show other questions good for now great okay so when you were invited to this you were sort of asked to bring at least a concept or an idea like on a scale of zero to like I don't even have any idea to three um where are you with like having formulated an idea for how you could um put something into action for a TED Talk just put your hand up zero one two or three not a that wasn't a three that was that's got three oh you're ready so one okay what about you I wasn't listening I'm sorry so I just with an idea for something that you would uh you want to take you you know apply some these principles to maybe your teaching is already so okay so maybe one and a half great okay so um Step One is always going to be identify a curricular component or presentation that could benefit from the Ted Talk model seems like we're a little bit of a mix so we may talk some of these things out um and it's such a small group just talk some of these things out as a group um so uh in the step two we're going to take one of those essential PR principles just one of them of the TED talks to apply to your curricular component or presentation so any of those things so storytelling um the focus contents the connection the real visual um compelling elements um think about how you could reframe or rebuild what you've already got in existence um based on that principle that singular principle or couple and then create an outline for what that might look like so we you passed out the worksheet so just think through right now uh like what what is an idea of a topic any of you that you will want you are at a three so what's your topic what what would you want to um connect with more 10 to um very uhuh word it is no worries anybody else have a topic that you would think through for this take a few minutes and just think about it write it down once you formulate it and then we'll come back and sort of talk it through it's uh 12:35 now so maybe tell 40 to and on your handout You're Gonna Want to refer down to section or sorry part two which is application so part two is basically a mirror of what we got on the screen here just worded a little bit differently but this is where you can start putting together your thoughts which one of those principles you want to try to tackle um and then thinking through how you're going to reframe utilize and what your plan of action might be and I think to Dr de's point right like anything we teach or anything we present could benefit from these Concepts you know the engagement the connection um con concision but it's not not everything can do that right there's going to be complex topics that you talk about that you can't boil down into something super nothing there's got be something out there if you can't explain it simply you don't understand it well enough is what Einstein said so but you're not going to bring a top say we're not going to just talk about Cardiology bring that so you'll want to narrow it down to you know what so think about that work through just thinking about the steps and then we'll come back and talk it out okay so what are some topic ideas you've come up with that you think you could make happen what your idea way thinking about like it mood disorders mood disorders so what are some of the Ted Talk elements that you will want to incorporate within this discussion think storytelling yeah Focus contents two things specific thought about sure yeah onions connection absolutely I can see a lot of things with that like different ways to engage that so um to engage your audience who who are the individuals to whom you'd be presenting so that's the thing I I don't think it would be sort of so they'll all know they'll be comfortable with the concepts right that just means when you're considering your out and like what's the level or even establishing a level of comfort because there may be it probably uhuh okay okay so all people who have chosen Psychiatry as did you I'm thinking about critically thinking about information being used for literally any purpose whether to build your knowledge share others a lot of bias behind information so what would you use for your techniques techniques would you incorporate with in here um so the audience con is asking questions like how think about where because that takes steps right like oh I read it it's it's either or I don't but then to dive deeper into that and try to kind of probe a little bit with that kind of questioning um bringing up some visuals of things that might C baate we also and how that ties into this discussion about verifying information and then storytelling even like playing phone game right where it starts over here and by the time you to the end is the stat said and that also applies to what people interpr oning a I I love that I can even Envision um you know some of the brief stories in the beginning being like this is what could happen like some of the really bad things that can happen from just going out and doing a Google Search and ending up with um false information right and how how can that end up were you able to think of um yeah you're going to get all this done right thank you um this why medical so it's not a lot ofation working on and so there's a lot of cultural that would just so so sort of like the basics of working with um patients a Spanish speaking pict and so you're presenting this to a group of people who don't necessarily have any Spanish speaking background or they do they do they just don't have any non-med okay everything so what types of um what types of elements would you want to incorporate within um so I everything is different [Music] just to give love that that like a very impactful ways of not just to gain their interest of the storytelling but uh like this is why this is so important for you treat them and that's where they would be using it most in the follow-up care pretty much it is part of the medical interview [Music] so anyway we'll see how it goes I have aase for that get the students and I was just looking at my slides and thinking that visual Simplicity would be a good Target so I'm not I can put together a I don't like really like a lot of PowerPoint but sometimes you have to use it for like assd base problems you have to get the problem or you have to show the method and so but there's a probably more concise way and um simplest simple way with using boxes or arrows like d like a little bit easier than what I have is just some Mass wordss right and that's really the point of this presentation this discussion right is just talking about how to simplify but using very impactful elements borrowed from the Ted Talk structure to um to improve your um to improve your presentations so what what do you think out of this whole discussion what's just one thing that you've learned that you'll take back with you concise concise concision I think that's so important we always or we tend to overlook that a lot of times what else I was telling Dr spum that one of the most impactful things that I've ever done was uh being video while teaching and um I never wanted to see myself like that and but it's not all bad so you go and you can learn a lot of wonderful things so being more um wanting to videotape what you do open to that yeah see what you do with your hands and your tone and all that good stuff and you can do that on your own if you just go into teams or zoom and stand in front of your computer and hit record and deliver a presentation you can see what you look like others it's still I can't even listen to myself but it's like incredibly helpful and I didn't do it till later in my career so and we also have tripods that hold like cell phones if you ever want to record yourself during a class or like something live that we you know lend out that's something that you're interested in reporing or and that's yeah absolutely so you would be able to tell your positioning all that kind of stuff um where you wouldn't be able to get that so much on Zoom necessarily but they're free to use so just let us know if we can help out with that what what's something that you're still curious about you still have questions about sort of as we're wrapping up this conversation what is the idea of complexity none of the things talking about is simp right still having that concise but complex and trying to Spur the ideas without telling the ideas I guess the Bigg issue I was even thinking if you were talking problem solving here's here's the problem I'm just going to start yelling at them why is this not the refrigerator but you know just ways that they engage that's the B thing too is I know when I first started teaching I'm like here you go here you go here you go here my knowledge is important right now I'm trying to like step back more this is the importance of it but you need to figure out how it applies to you right and again going back to that knowing your audience and I and I'm I've always been telling people this when in my lifetime in medical education is really thinking about um you know if you're in a a sub specialty and you're teaching medical students right um are you the a temptation is to be like come into Podiatry just learn everything that I know about dietry whatever your specialty is and you want to just fill them just like this empty vessel tell them everything why you're so passionate about pediatry they're not going to remember so much of that pick some really concise points and deliver them effectively um and then they walk away and they have some pearls that they can use in whatever specialty they're going into um the vast majority of them are not going into pediatry but and so you don't want to turn them off by just word vomiting to them all this information just give them the things that excite you most or you think that will excite them and will be a applicable and generalizable to other Specialties we've already talked about where we'll Implement these in other areas so here are some um takeaways we've mentioned several times know that audience prepare Tony talked about how the the most important part is that preparation and you all um don't have the Ted Talk people sitting in the audience saying no don't wear that tie do this think big think small you know all those things however you do through teach or through your own peers you can have somebody come and watch you practice or sit down and talk through um an idea with you and it also counts towards promotion observation but it also helps you to further develop um your presentation style Divine your thesis have that story-like structure use your slides effectively don't just have slides to clip through and um you know they can remind you what you're going to say but you don't want to obviously have all of your everything you're going to say on a slide um and use data um not just to S smart or look smart but just to actually support your claims thank you so much for attending our session um any other questions you have we we'll be around for a little bit if you want to hang around and ask questions or walk through something talk through something um either right here or Beyond today just let us know and we'll we'll come with visit other thoughts guys we do have a visual abstract session it's our last empowered session for this year it's in December I can't remember um 16th maybe Monday it is a Monday will'll be talking with you about how to create a visual abstract so if you haven't signed up for that one and you'd like to please please do sign up yeah and we're also resource to we're in the midst of building content for next year so if there's something practical that you guys would like to hear more 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